Pastor Travis Hearn sits down with his brother and close friend Montell Jordan — yes, This Is How We Do It — for one of the most raw and real conversations we've ever had on this podcast.

Montell opens up about his two-year journey through prostate cancer — the diagnosis, the surgery, the recurrence, and the moment his doctor called him on Christmas morning to say the words every cancer patient prays to hear.

Travis reflects on his own stroke recovery and together these two men unpack what it actually looks like to trust God not just after the fire — but while you're still in it.

Montell drops one of the most powerful reframes you'll hear: expectation is prepaid resentment. And why living in anticipation of God changes everything.

This episode is for anyone waiting on a miracle. Anyone who has been through the fire. And anyone who needs to be reminded that God is good — even when it doesn't look the way you planned.

This conversation isn’t just another church talk—it’s a front-row seat to a redemption story in real time. Pastor Matt shares the gut-wrenching moments of an identity crisis after tearing his ACL, the depression that followed, and the moment God told him, “You’ll fail at everything until you do what I told you to do.” From there, everything changed.

You’ll hear the behind-the-scenes of launching a church that exploded with nearly 2,000 people on day one, the crippling anxiety that hit the night before, and how the love of his wife—and the Word of God—carried him through. With honesty, humor, and deep spiritual insight, Matt and Travis unpack what it really means to walk through the fire and come out refined.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone who feels like they’ve been counted out. Because with God, the fire isn’t to burn you—it’s to build you.