Pastor Travis Hearn sits down with his brother and close friend Montell Jordan — yes, This Is How We Do It — for one of the most raw and real conversations we've ever had on this podcast.

Montell opens up about his two-year journey through prostate cancer — the diagnosis, the surgery, the recurrence, and the moment his doctor called him on Christmas morning to say the words every cancer patient prays to hear.

Travis reflects on his own stroke recovery and together these two men unpack what it actually looks like to trust God not just after the fire — but while you're still in it.

Montell drops one of the most powerful reframes you'll hear: expectation is prepaid resentment. And why living in anticipation of God changes everything.

This episode is for anyone waiting on a miracle. Anyone who has been through the fire. And anyone who needs to be reminded that God is good — even when it doesn't look the way you planned.